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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 08:59:00 -
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Would be really bad
but Lets not jump to conclusions from what random people said until we know for sure.
But it would be VERY bad if true ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It can't do trade-in's. It can't do BPCs. It can't sell anything that requires a user interface to use. It can't highlight an item on sale (they will look like the non sale items.) It can't sort/filter and only show you one kind of item. But it will get better.
Then it should be postponed
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
If we need to go even slower, we can and will.
Prove it, do so!
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 11:44:23
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It can't do trade-in's. It can't do BPCs. It can't sell anything that requires a user interface to use. It can't highlight an item on sale (they will look like the non sale items.) It can't sort/filter and only show you one kind of item. But it will get better.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
OK, here's a little more information that I had not provided.
[..]And if it's a problem, we won't even start then. Let's wait a few months and see if the right thing to do is to keep waiting or roll it out. [...]
What is this? Here is an unfinished product, now put money it! NO WAIT? Don't, just lets see where it goes ok? Or lets not! Lets keep waiting!
This makes CCP sound like an overexcited teenager during his first time!
Seriously, FINISH a product with a clear goal, evaluate it then. Don't throw half-assed, semi functional stuff on our live server that changes basic economic and gameplay attributes and NOT expect a ****storm.
Let me state I have nothing against MT as far as it doesn't violate certain principles and nothing against new skins (especially Amarr ones). But from what everybody has said (including DEVS) CCP realises what was proposed might be a problem! But then decided to go ahead anyway because 3 months is a "long time" even though the products won't be available for months...Why doesn't the marketing/accounting division have a coke, relax and shut the **** up and mostly stops pushing content that is clearly not FINISHED.
We have been waiting some some decent changes for Years! (Faction warfare, overview!, lag, capbalancing, etc) SOONtm Much? I think the "awesome scorpion skin" can take a backseat for a few months!
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 13:16:33
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
Like you would do if you would follow some kind of deployment schedule with benchmarks and a finished project.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
This is indeed "not remembering correctly" they DIDN'T want this but they could "live" with one week test...that's as big as a diplomatic PLEASE NO as you can get!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
The easiest way I can ask you guys is to ask the CSM. I will do that first and see what they say.
It seems you allready did sir! It seems they didn't like it sir! It seems nobody likes it SIR!
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
So they [CSM] recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
A total and utter lie, from what you just said. There is a big difference between no and reccomend.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August [..]
This is what you were allready going to do! So you are saying you WILL NOT change ANYTHING. (see below here for previous comment on 2011.06.14 11:10:00)
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We aren't offering everything in the store on day one. We are rolling stuff in slowly. I had scheduled the Ishukone Watch Scorpion for late August
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
Thanks for the clarification, Zinfandel.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel So they [CSM] recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.
Yeah he didn't remember "some parts correctly" ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat Not going to read 14 pages but here's what I remember:
Then you shouldn't be CSM, this thread even mentions the CSM as prime movers in this debate.
How did you get elected, on a platform of 'I like to feel important but don't like making an effort'.
GTFO
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 14:25:11
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We are holding it back to go slower.
No you are not, you are holding to your original schedule as you allready stated earlier that was "late august"!
please enlighten me how not changing your release framework at all for this is "holding back"?
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps.
Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now.
I agree with this and share your viewpoint.
About time! Perhaps this can be a lesson to you!
Amazing how getting informed about an issue (like reading the thread and consulting with ppl who know what they are talking about) can help when forming an opinion isn't it... Honestly who can be anything but sad for the CSM.
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.15 07:56:00 -
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This:
Originally by: mkint
A really really big problem is that CCP hasn't committed to to shelving it. In fact the dev responses were a pretty clear "we're doing this whether you like it or not, pleasedontunsubscribe." They said "oh yeah I was wrong when I said we're doing it for 3-4 months, what's really happening is we're doing it indefinitely even though the CSM said even 1-2 weeks is too much." Read very carefully. People assume the best when corporate backpedaling is clearly worded to indicate the worst.
That:
Originally by: Vandrion
[...] To elaborate on Tippia's point--- Isk doesn't create itself. A player generates the isk through time and effort at some point. Even if you sold a Plex for Isk some player somewhere else had to earn that Isk. This is one of the missing components in MT period not just the Ishukone Scorp. Any time you can flat out circumvent the in game economy with a Visa there is a problem.
But Mostly:
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
[...] I'm abstaining from every future CSM vote because CCP now think some attention seeking mungos who have all their alliance mates vote for them somehow represents all of us players and they see fit to just do what they want anyway saying "we consulted the CSM".
The old way of rage feedback provoked response from CCP seems to actually work much better than the CSM ever can. Even in this thread it looks obvious to me the CSM "middlemen" are screwing up the communication with/from CCP to the rest of us. They should pay for their holiday to Iceland like the rest of us in future.
This so far has been the biggest failure of CCP but mostly the CSM. The CSM's I have seen in this thread either didn't know what they where talking about, had lousy arguments or couldn't be bothered to even inform what the thread was about. And it was about them (the CSM, in part at least)!
Where is the Doctor in Economics CCP brag's about at every seminar to explain them that if you have magic in a real economy that is bad. What does he have to say about this!
I would love to hear from CCP Dr.EyjoG about all of this, in fact, I think it is needed! ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 15/06/2011 11:15:16
Originally by: Cosmoes Sigh, I am really starting to hate CCP.
This idea should have never got passed a manager who can see the bigger picture of eve. Let alone try and override the CSM to do it. The things I once valued in eve appear to be worth less than veldspar atm.
I remember when CCP used to parody companies liked what they have become.
So the parody became reality, they actually did make SCORP-Now!
How the mighty have fallen...
Originally by: CCP Hammer (From 1 april 2008) Contingent upon a fully realized Product Delivery Potential, we have an additional range of Subscription 2.0 services in the pipeline which will further enhance the Customer Experience Process. These include InstaClone, Dock-O-Matic, T1 and T2 releases of BlueprintNow!, and many more.
Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Perhaps CCP HAMMER could comment together with Dr. Eyjo Gudmundsson (CCP Dr.EyjoG)
This being said, I have no issue with plexes for isk or even vanity items. But the line is clear, wel defined and not open to speculation.
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow In the hopes of clarifying matters, here is the timeline of what happened at the Summit. I drafted the minutes on the virtual goods session, and when this issue exploded I went back, reviewed the video recordings, and contacted Zinfandel to ask him to correct the record.
During the session, Zinfandel presented the AUR-only Scorpion plan, which was to put it up for one week as a test, then take it down and reintroduce it later when the store could handle AUR+Scorpion -> Sparkle-Scorpion.
CSM strongly advised waiting until the full store implementation. We did not like the AUR-only Sparkle-Scorpion idea, even for a week.
In the evenings, after the formal sessions, we all go out to dinner and then to bars (much fun for me, since I don't drink), and there is lots of informal discussions. During this time, there apparently some conversations about the economic consequences of the 1-week sale, and some CSMs were apparently of the opinion that a 1-week sale of premium-priced Sparkle-Scorpions probably wouldn't hurt the industrialists who build regular Scorpions. But that is a separate issue from "this is a bad idea in the first place".
And then, as has become clear, Zinfandel misremembered things, and a threadnaught was born.
Best, Trebor
Wow, thats actually a clear and well thought out response wich makes things a little clearer at least from the CSM side.
Apart from the low brow, useless or plain idiotic answers from some CSM's you Trebor Daehdoow, you upped my low esteem scale of the current CSM at least a nudge in the right direction. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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